who woulda thought it

Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:21:20 PM): Just noticed the tags on citys saying to not attack. You can still attack citys to trap us just asked for no Conq armys so we can still walk around, Would have said something before now but was at work and only had time to send troops and jump back on cars
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:40:49 PM): Nevermind
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:40:54 PM): I'm letting them raise hell
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:41:10 PM): death before dishonor >.>
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:41:19 PM): and im dishonoring my members by not letting them undo your death
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:38:55 PM): I think that part of the email you missed caused when said it you were asking for battle plans or something which confused me
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:39:12 PM): So I was thinking you must have not understood what I was tring to say
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:39:37 PM): I didn't
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:39:51 PM): you sent me like 4 in a row and by the 2nd one i was annoyed with your tone and stopped caring
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:40:23 PM): My tone? I was tring to get with you and figure out how we would do it
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:44:09 PM): So the new tags your going to reconq the citys now and block everything?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:44:33 PM): i dunno what theyre gonna do
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:46:19 PM): im supposing it depends on their moods, really
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:46:42 PM): but, like i said at the meeting, this isn't gonna make anything better
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:46:59 PM): i think all it's done so far was increase the resentment 10-fold
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:47:11 PM): These battles are for fun and the removal of Origin and Legacy from SB
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:47:26 PM): only fun in the abstract
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:47:38 PM): simply put, you and stiele don't read my kingdom chat
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:48:26 PM): but i can tell you my kingdom is flipping you the bird so hard for trying to dictate how we fight
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:49:16 PM): because i know that if i tried to tell you to, i dunno, not use cash heals, or to not use certain troops or heroes, your kingdom would flip shit
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:50:23 PM): How am i telling anyone how to fight? I emailed you and said how Steile and I did the battles to honor the no burn rule
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:50:37 PM): I said countless times I would be ok to just fight like normal
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:50:42 PM): just because you cant burn a city doesnt mean we cant not let you enter the zone
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:51:04 PM): well, if this is like normal
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:51:06 PM): Your ok to attack the citys over and over to trap us
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:51:07 PM): then so be it
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:51:18 PM): nope, normally, we'd reconq and lock you out
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:51:42 PM): and youre dictating how we're allowed to fight by trying to tell me what im okay to do
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:52:00 PM): I know thats why i said if we didnt want to do it the way Stiele and I did we could say forget no burn and do it normal
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:52:02 PM): we did not extend any discussion beyond not burning cities out
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 6:52:43 PM): Your last email said you were ok with the way we did it so I left it with that
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 6:59:01 PM): yep
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:00:02 PM): they still dont like yall, though >.>
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:00:38 PM): I dont think they will ever like synergy
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:01:19 PM): it doesnt help that your lot has become trollicious
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:01:22 PM): even i hate them, now
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:01:28 PM): and im the most lenient person on the server
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:02:00 PM): but i already expressed my disdain
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:02:28 PM): Yeah I sent out an Edict about it telling them to cut the shit out
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:02:44 PM): Stiele wants a meeting
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:02:53 PM): i bet
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:02:56 PM): *groans*
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:03:23 PM): Its late for him so will be tommorow i think
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:04:39 PM): He wants to meet before responding to his part of the deal with upholding it
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:06:21 PM): Whats a good time for you
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:35:46 PM): He said he will be up in 5 hours if you wanted to do it then but its late for you so we can do it later
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:36:07 PM): 2AM o.O
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:36:10 PM): crazy boy
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:36:14 PM): duuuude
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 7:36:19 PM): *laughs*
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:36:48 PM): Yeah I told him thats late as hell in US but I dont plan on sleeping for another 30 hours or so
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:37:38 PM): Whats a good time for you. I never sleep more then 2 or 3 hours a day or every other day
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:37:44 PM): So anytime is fine with me
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 7:51:05 PM): Stiele cleared us to burn but I said I would still honor the deal
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:41:47 PM): You proved my point in your counter label
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:39:19 PM): Hey that was a good movie
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:42:41 PM): Billy Madison
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:43:23 PM): So whats a good time for you so I can let him know when he gets on
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:45:44 PM): Or want Stiele and I to have the meeting and me email you a copy
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:47:08 PM): Umm
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:47:36 PM): How about eleven
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:47:56 PM): what timezone I am CST
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:48:14 PM): Mine
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:48:24 PM): lol what time zone is that
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:48:43 PM): I'm an hour ahead
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:48:48 PM): k
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:53:25 PM): I am still not going to burn any citys and keep up my end of the deal but he wants to go over the events to see what legacys part will be since we kinda broke a few things from meeting and our emails
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:53:30 PM): Barrt 16:09:08 If its a time based kinda goes back to citys burning if we cant burn citys how do we defend the area Stiele 16:09:31 and having everyone on neutral makes it clear that we're under an agreement Stiele 16:09:36 prevents incidental breaches Quianna 16:10:06 neutrality would be easier if people didn't actually dislike one another so much... Stiele 16:10:09 set time should be several hours, no longer Stiele 16:10:26 well part of the truce deal was forgive and forget.... Quianna 16:10:35 how about the 12-hrs it'd take to burn?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:54:57 PM): We didn't accept neutrality as a must
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:55:23 PM): Those quotes are referring to determining how to designate a conquer
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:55:33 PM): I know but we did agree to set a time on the citys if we didnt go neu
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:55:35 PM): I have the transcript too
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:56:03 PM): No only the five grain. We didn't specify other cities
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:56:05 PM): thats why i asked the question
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:56:50 PM): I asked about the citys how to defend an area we cant burn
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:56:51 PM): Do you admit and agree it was not formally discussed in the meeting you just posted?
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:57:38 PM): We didnt make it clear that was the point of our emails this week
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:57:45 PM): But when you said 'll accept the one attack/one defense tenet, then. But happens if you fail? And what if you can't get to to the wonder before the weekend's over?
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:57:51 PM): I thought we cleared it up
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:58:11 PM): We didn't. Not entirely.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:58:29 PM): I accepted the tenet as an official conquer
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:58:47 PM): But it doesn't mean it's bound in blood
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:59:04 PM): At the end of the day, I answer to my kingdom first
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:59:23 PM): They were unhappy with this unofficial adjustment
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 9:59:29 PM): Then you should have been clear and we could have done the battle like normal as I asked in emails
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 9:59:30 PM): So I revoked it
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:00:00 PM): And you said just previously you wouldn't care if we fought like normally anyway
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:00:19 PM): Yeah thats 24 hours AFTER we started
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:00:44 PM): And?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:00:55 PM): It was an informal arrangement
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:01:23 PM): what a load of shit
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:01:33 PM): Ohwell it is what it is
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:01:47 PM): Long as Legacy upholds thier end it doesnt matter
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:03:23 PM): I'm sorry you don't like the revocation, but my kingdom's happiness comes before yours
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:03:38 PM): If that means rescinding an informal agreement so they can continue fighting on their grounds, then so be it
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:03:49 PM): we will still win so it doesnt matter
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:03:59 PM): It matters
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:04:06 PM): Because you complained
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:04:22 PM): No matter how it's written, I'm convinced you will
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:04:37 PM): That your are tring to screw us again Yes i did complain
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:04:39 PM): But do me a favor
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:05:01 PM): Don't lie to me, or try to pull one over on me
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:05:16 PM): How in the hell am i doing that
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:05:26 PM): And, I'm sorry you think decreasing your chances of winning is so offensive
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:05:26 PM): I tried to work all this out a week ago
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:05:53 PM): and you agreed so lets see whos calling the kettle black
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:06:53 PM): Misquoting a formal agreement to uphold an informal one is a good start
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:06:58 PM): I know what I did and what I said. I don't need you, or anyone else to remind me.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:07:22 PM): I gave you my reasons
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:07:26 PM): If you had no plans to Honor a deal why make it?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:08:31 PM): It's no different than you merging two kingdoms to make your players happy because of am unexpected change in circumstance
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:08:31 PM): An*
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:08:42 PM): These battles were setup to be fun and Honorable. Stiele and I found the error last week so this is what he came up with.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:08:55 PM): The only difference is I recognize how it could seem damaging
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:09:05 PM): So I got with you to see who you wanted to handle it
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:09:18 PM): And I will tell you, my kingdom feels no honor in this
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:10:07 PM): They're pissed
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:10:24 PM): Do they not understand what we are doing?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:10:46 PM): Outraged. Furious. Aggravated. And tired of acquiescing.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:11:05 PM): You know this won't save the server.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:11:21 PM): You agreed with me on that.
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:11:37 PM): If we can get back to the Fun battles in a Battle zone instead of this 2v1 bullshit it will help it alot
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:11:40 PM): You just want the beach back.
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:11:47 PM): these battles are the first step to reach that
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:11:55 PM): And they don't care what you want.
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:12:19 PM): Well its the same as Bod and Stel wanted
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:12:27 PM): Its why we didnt merge into Legacy when asked
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:12:31 PM): When vx and eden fought origin two to one, we didn't try to pull any if this
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:12:51 PM): The deal was we stay a kingdom and have SB as homeland to rebuild if we didnt do that
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:12:52 PM): So I suggest you rethink your defense.
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:13:16 PM): HL was a battle zone LC was your homeland
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:13:38 PM): and by the time we went to save thier ass most of them were already inactive
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:13:56 PM): Why did you interfere?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:14:11 PM): Was it why legacy interfered?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:14:23 PM): You're just digging yourself deeper.
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:14:30 PM): They got with pathfinder and asked for help since thier kingdom was set as Friend
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:14:45 PM): And legacy is ours
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:14:56 PM): So, why all the whine?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:15:00 PM): Like I said
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:15:07 PM): It's give when you do it
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:15:09 PM): Yes but after we lost SB they asked us to merge into them but we had a meeting
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:15:17 PM): But damn if anyone else does.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:15:30 PM): Fine*
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:15:30 PM): Bod wanted that to not happen so we agreed to try and rebuild
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:15:52 PM): I said this was a waste of time
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:16:23 PM): to rebuild and retake SB but they wanted me to try
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:17:37 PM): So why not move to the lake upon failure? Or admit defeat and quit your belly-aching?
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:18:09 PM): We said hell with it but Bod asked me to try so thats what I am doing
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:18:10 PM): You're not good at this, are you?
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:18:17 PM): Steile called this last meeting
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:18:24 PM): Stiele set the terms
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:18:37 PM): He runs this server not anyone else
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:19:01 PM): If you're trying to convince me of some great unknown, use let less double standards.
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:19:56 PM): How am I setting double standards I am following the battle plans Stiele gave out and You agreed to when I emailed you
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:19:56 PM): Then maybe you should stop including origin as your buyer zone
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:19:56 PM): If you're so convinced.
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:20:21 PM): You lost me on that last line
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:21:26 PM): It's a talent of mine
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:24:02 PM): Buffer* using swype.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:24:11 PM): Sometimes it gets confused.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:24:19 PM): Sorry >.<
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:24:38 PM): lol was tring to figure out what the hell buyer zone was
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:25:24 PM): I was trying to figure out how I lost you so read up
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:26:26 PM): But I was hoping everyone would have as much fun as we did last weekend. Everyone knew what the endgame was but still put up a hell of a fight.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:27:00 PM): I never said they weren't having some fun.
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:27:08 PM): But with the hate some of our members hold I should have known it wouldnt be the same
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:27:14 PM): They just hate the price it comes at
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:27:27 PM): Hell you guys have it easy
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:27:38 PM): you get a long time between fight
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:27:42 PM): The two over powered leads want to dictate war
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:27:44 PM): We get 3 or 4 days
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:28:02 PM): Steile kicked the shit out of me
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:28:03 PM): Then put origin in the middle.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:28:29 PM): Did he get as much whine and troll as we're getting?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:28:50 PM): Because I'm do many levels of fed up, it's not even funny
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:28:52 PM): We gave him alot of shit but was all fun in the end
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:29:17 PM): I wasnt on to see anything in world chat just saw the labels
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:29:31 PM): I had to send armys and get out the office to work on cars
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:29:47 PM): I endeavor to make this as difficult as humanly possible for y'all because of all the lip we get, win or lose
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:29:47 PM): Figures we would be busy today
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:30:35 PM): All i saw was the labels from one or 2 ppl and players in kingdom chat giveing you guys props
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:31:10 PM): How honest am I?
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:31:30 PM): Brutally so, I think
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:31:36 PM): Hell even fear did a label saying Good game but like I said I wasnt on to see world
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:31:55 PM): To me right now after going back on your word you dont want to ask that
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:32:09 PM): Take my word for it.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:32:32 PM): It was an informal agreement and I rescinded it
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:32:45 PM): I didn't act like it never happened
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:33:00 PM): To me its still breaking your word
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:33:00 PM): I gave you my reasons
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:33:18 PM): Sound familiar?
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:33:36 PM): Name a time I broke my word
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:33:53 PM): Vx and Eden merge. After declaring they wouldn't
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:34:04 PM): But changed the agreement last minute
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:34:12 PM): Because they needed to
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:34:24 PM): I spoke with Vikeal and Bod before allowing my allaince to take part in it
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:34:39 PM): And I do spoke with you
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:34:41 PM): They were ok with us taking SB and in thier kingdom so I did
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:34:46 PM): Delete do
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:35:08 PM): I wanted to form a kingdom with Wilhelm but he quit on me
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:35:14 PM): I asked you all those things because of the backlash
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:35:28 PM): I didn't decide it, then include you
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:35:54 PM): We did the same thing
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:36:12 PM): We never said we wouldnt merge we said we would not take part in any 2v1 kingdom wars besides us teaming up to control Legacy
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:36:19 PM): Expect, I didn't break the sever doing so
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:36:39 PM): Merging is breaking that
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:37:15 PM): Not really cause it was set that Noone could pick up S2 players and you guys did and had the deals made before merger took place
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:37:32 PM): We merged since bod was picking up so many of S2
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:37:39 PM): Digging again
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:37:42 PM): which Bod and I spoke abotu
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:37:47 PM): But all that is in past
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:38:00 PM): Mister: you are gonna pick up koa right
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:38:29 PM): Past because I'm right. Just accept this.
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:39:15 PM): But your not. Origin and Syn was still honoring deal up until the day you screwed us thats why we agreed to forgive all the BS you guys pulled
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:39:38 PM): wonders attacking citys porting citys on portal etc
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:40:00 PM): Fine
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:40:16 PM): Whatever you say, captain right
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:40:30 PM): See your coming around
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:40:33 PM): Jk
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:40:36 PM): We can have our meeting tomorrow
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 10:40:47 PM): k 11 your time 10 mytime
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 10:41:32 PM): Armistice starts sunday sometime I will decide later. Maybe. I have to do timer math.
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:26:24 PM): hey, ya know what i realized?
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:23:43 PM): whats up
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:23:49 PM): actually, nevermind
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:23:53 PM): lol
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:24:06 PM): i thought i was wrong, about talking to you before i gave my kingdom to go-ahead
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:24:09 PM): but i wasnt
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:24:18 PM): i labeled the cities first, then people, noble as they are, asked
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:24:26 PM): then we had the conversation about it
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:24:31 PM): then i said, kill everything
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:24:40 PM): not so succinctly, but yes
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:25:10 PM): Yeah it started with me letting you know it was ok to attack citys once I saw your lables that said not to
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:25:26 PM): thenyou changed lables attacks we inc then we spoke
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:25:42 PM): yep
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:25:52 PM): but i didnt give the formal ok until AFTER we spoke
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:25:59 PM): because that's how i roll
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:27:04 PM): at 19:53 you said atk like normal
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:27:11 PM): at 19:55 i gave my members the OK
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:27:22 PM): *comparing two time stamps because she's so boss*
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:27:39 PM): after which we continued to bicker
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:28:14 PM): Then not burning citys is pointless on our part cause we would have had 2 to ashs and 1 on its way
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:28:28 PM): So the lvl 6 I say lets just use normal rules
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:28:35 PM): well we discussed in the meeting between the 3 of us a formal no-burn rule
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:28:52 PM): but we only implemented a successful conquer rule on the 5-grain
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:28:53 PM): Yes and a set time for a city to be counted as burned
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:28:58 PM): no we did not
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:29:15 PM): because i was the one pressing for time limits,and i know what i said AFTER and BEFORE that point you clipped
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:29:39 PM): I was also thats why I asked the question
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:29:49 PM): we did not formally instate any delimiter for the other cities
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:30:32 PM): Then the no burn was pointless cause you cant defend an area without porting citys in
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:30:59 PM): Cause right now the first 2 citys should have around 12 hours of downtime
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:31:36 PM): well then you're asking to eliminate the actual formal agreement
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:32:11 PM): thats what we will be going over in the meeting and Stieles view on it since it said it was BS from what he was seeing
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:32:58 PM): what's BS?
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:33:03 PM): As it stands now I am still honoring both the Email and the Meeting until Stiele says other wise
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:33:30 PM): i dont see why stiele should have any say onthe specifics for a battle between syn adn origin
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:33:31 PM): and*
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:33:37 PM): SO far he has only cleared burning your citys but I am not going to and he might be sending Deff troops to those citys we won
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:33:59 PM): he's breaching the agreement in doing so
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:34:17 PM): He agrees you already have
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:34:31 PM): i didnt breach the formal agreement
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:34:48 PM): only the informal one we made due to unforseen changes in circumstance
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:35:03 PM): i read that entire script regarding my 12-hr mention
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:35:19 PM): not once is it settled between the 3 of us that that's what we will decide on
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:35:35 PM): and i distinctly stated that the 1-atk, 1-def only applies for the 5-grain
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:35:50 PM): which we agreed upon to the point of including it in the 10-major clauses
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:35:54 PM): Hence the reason Stiele came up with the battle rules which i emailed to you
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:36:20 PM): of which, i hope you understand now, and esp stiele, why i felt we needed to also include sharp clarifications
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:36:27 PM): but stiele decided against that
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:36:35 PM): i offered
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:36:38 PM): he declined
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:37:06 PM): stiele came up with battle rules that took you 4-mails to halfheartedly get me to succumb to because i couldnt be bothered otherwise, which i stated
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:37:32 PM): and, once more, i remind you that my reasons for rescinding them were for my kingdom's happiness
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:37:52 PM): and as such, without breaching any formal agreement, i feel i am inclined and allowed to do such a thing
vampofval21 (7/14/2012 11:38:06 PM): because it was an informal decision to "make things easier"
Efeldmayer (7/14/2012 11:38:43 PM): It was an agreement to clear up what we over looked and didnt work out
vampofval21 (7/15/2012 12:25:07 AM): *throws everything out the window*
Efeldmayer (7/15/2012 12:26:03 AM): lamo that was randon
vampofval21 (7/15/2012 12:26:29 AM): this is what happens when im awake for too long
vampofval21 (7/15/2012 12:26:46 AM): the fact that im able to maintain my ability to reason as deeply as i have is a miracle
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Quianna 12:45:11 When you have people like Barrt, Fear, and Steal all attacking in streams, you do what you can Quianna 12:45:24 I'm sorry we're actually making you work for your victory Stiele 12:45:37 well I have to eat, be back right after Barrt 12:45:59 I dont mind working to win the battle Quianna 12:46:10 Then I'm expecting you to not complain any further Barrt 12:46:11 But I want to understand the rules before the battle Quianna 12:46:22 Real wars don't have rules Barrt 12:46:23 thats the reason I tried to get with you before thebattle started Quianna 12:46:26 We already have 10 Quianna 12:46:30 That's it. Rules done. Barrt 12:46:34 I asked to remove the rules Quianna 12:46:48 You remove the rules, you remove the 2v1 agreement as well Quianna 12:47:05 I'm compromising by ignoring the basic rules and going based on what we left in those 10 tenets Quianna 12:47:11 combined with the conversation, of course Barrt 12:47:17 Lets say legacy wants to allaince with us now you still ok with 2v1? Quianna 12:47:38 If Origin was willing to stomach 2v1 with Eden and VX Barrt 12:47:50 Cry me a river Barrt 12:47:59 this is about now not the past Quianna 12:48:00 You've already flooded the city Quianna 12:48:08 And you're quick to bring up the past Barrt 12:48:10 The goal here was to get the server back on track Barrt 12:48:16 You keep bring it up Quianna 12:48:17 Every time you mention bod or scio or etc and the like, you bring it up Barrt 12:48:26 They started this deal Quianna 12:48:35 But who's queen? Quianna 12:48:44 I'm not them. Quianna 12:48:53 I wasn't there to have an opinion on it Quianna 12:49:10 You're asking a lot from me at that point, to try to understand something I was given little to no information about Barrt 12:49:20 Yes you are queen and Yes you are the one that agreed to the terms and Yes you are the one that broke them Formal or Informal Quianna 12:49:27 Again, the past Quianna 12:49:33 I know what I did. We settled that already Quianna 12:49:37 And now we're ehre. Quianna 12:49:38 here* Barrt 12:50:06 You keep saying stick to the rules but We did not clear up how to treat citys Quianna 12:50:07 I only broke the informal one Quianna 12:50:15 Yes we did Quianna 12:50:22 No burns, ambiguity left from there Quianna 12:50:31 The only city that has a conquer rule is the 5-grain Barrt 12:50:33 but that was never the Formal rules Quianna 12:50:44 Hmm Quianna 12:50:49 I see your point Barrt 12:50:55 In the Formal deal we were go go Neu so no armys would be traped Barrt 12:51:02 To go Quianna 12:51:05 That wasn't in the formal rules Quianna 12:51:21 That, as well as the no-burn rule, were only visited in the conversation Quianna 12:51:29 But neither point was listed in the 10-tenets Barrt 12:51:51 My bad FOrmal meeting Quianna 12:52:03 And furthermore, I asked if Virk decided to not accept the neutrality, then we had that right to maintain rivalry Quianna 12:52:08 You and Stiele both agreed Quianna 12:52:19 So even then, we were not bound to the notion of neutrality Quianna 12:55:28 slight observation: Quianna 13:53:12 No burns, ambiguity left from there Quianna 13:53:22 The only city that has a conquer rule is the 5-grain Barrt 13:53:23 but that was never the Formal rules Quianna 13:53:34 Hmm Quianna 13:53:39 I see your point

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Barrt 13:53:46 In the Formal deal we were go go Neu so no armys would be traped Barrt 13:53:53 To go Quianna 13:53:55 That wasn't in the formal rules Quianna 13:54:11 That, as well as the no-burn rule, were only visited in the conversation Quianna 13:54:19 But neither point was listed in the 10-tenets Barrt 13:54:41 My bad FOrmal meeting Quianna 12:55:34 I lol-ed Quianna 12:55:52 *cough*double-standard*cough* Barrt 12:56:41 sorry was in game dealing with Hymm burned one of our players Quianna 12:56:54 hymn... is he one of mine? Quianna 12:56:57 or yours... Quianna 12:56:58 i forget... Quianna 12:57:36 you dealt with him without speaking to me, first? Barrt 12:57:36 Yes Barrt 12:57:41 No Quianna 12:57:49 but you just said... Barrt 12:57:53 Ws just told your player broke the rules Quianna 12:58:10 *sigh* Barrt 12:58:12 Was getting the info Quianna 12:58:13 where? Quianna 12:58:24 when, who, why~ Barrt 12:58:38 264 402 city already ash Barrt 12:58:44 metalmarauder in your alli was burned out by Hymm just an fyi Quianna 12:58:54 prob inactive Barrt 12:59:01 Its a new member Barrt 12:59:07 and not inactive Quianna 12:59:13 interesting Quianna 12:59:21 you'd think they'd, i dunno, TELL their kingdom... Quianna 12:59:32 see what you've left me to work with? Barrt 12:59:38 Its a new guy just started this week i think Quianna 12:59:53 sad that im hearing it from you, first Barrt 13:00:11 Was getting the info to Honor the deal with speaking to you before attacking hym Quianna 13:00:14 *prepares another dove and releases it* that's definitely the last fuck i give *watches it fly away* Quianna 13:00:51 and that metal guy is in genesis... Quianna 13:01:01 none of mine Quianna 13:01:12 actually, i dont ever remember having them in our kingdom in any sense. Barrt 13:01:16 Yes he is in my allaince Quianna 13:01:40 you're giving me a headache. scroll up and correct anything if need be, please. Barrt 13:01:44 Humn is in choas Quianna 13:01:53 yeah, that i know Barrt 13:03:39 Dont think I need to fix anything Your guy broke the deal about attacking and burning citys. My guy started this week and is a low pop player. I am honoring the peace deal by speaking to you before we take action on the Hymn guy. Quianna 13:03:57 no, you just typoed is all Barrt 13:04:14 I always have typos I suck at typing Quianna 13:04:20 so you've said Quianna 13:04:39 *takes a deep breath* Quianna 13:05:04 well he isn't responding, but i dont care what happens. pick a city of his, preferably not the main one, because that's just annoying. Quianna 13:05:26 do what you will. one city should be enough. Quianna 13:09:06 moving on Quianna 13:10:58 Gogs technically broke the armistice >.> Quianna 13:11:04 but i'll let it go, because I'm sweet Barrt 13:11:56 How did GOgs break it? Quianna 13:12:11 it's an unfortunate occurrence, we're being sweet about it Barrt 13:12:18 First I am hearing of it Tanc 13:12:43 May i speak. Quianna 13:12:46 but he attacked a set of troops on ajan after the 5-grain was successfully conqd, calling the end of the assaults and the beginning of the armistice Quianna 13:12:57 but i dont think it's important, all things considered, since it ended so suddenly Quianna 13:13:00 so i didnt bring it up Quianna 13:13:06 it's petty to me Quianna 13:13:08 carry on, tanc Tanc 13:13:16 no that covered it Tanc 13:13:25 sorry, excuse me Quianna 13:13:30 lol Tanc 13:14:50 i will say that i am disappointed because i did not get to relinquish those cities to show good faith. and now i will shut up like i should. Barrt 13:15:30 Yeah he should have recalled I sent out an Edict for everyone to pull out of the area Barrt 13:15:37 and recall everything Stiele 13:18:59 back Barrt 13:19:25 Kicking the players off the citys now that are not online Barrt 13:20:57 Will let you catch up on reading stiele Stiele 13:21:35 ready Stiele 13:21:44 not sure if we made alot of progress though Quianna 13:22:02 we didn't Stiele 13:23:08 if I understand correctly you want to keep the no-burn rule in place and be allowed to recapture all cities taken, Quianna? Quianna 13:23:41 I want to, but not everyone agrees with me, so I'm mulling it over, now Quianna 13:24:11 or rather, have been, since i've been conferring with people Stiele 13:24:50 it would give Synergy quite the handicap Quianna 13:25:04 it would, wouldn't it Quianna 13:25:07 they don't need another one Quianna 13:25:25 I have half a mind to demand no cash heroes be used when Syn is against Origin Quianna 13:25:43 but only half Barrt 13:25:45 Thats all heros? Barrt 13:25:58 Well guess we could use tier ones Quianna 13:25:59 yes. no heroes for Syn Quianna 13:26:01 You know what I mean Barrt 13:26:19 Was picking at you Quianna 13:26:26 You don't want to pick at me Quianna 13:26:39 I've already taken my kindness and put her to bed Quianna 13:27:06 you've only taken advantage of it and then try to throw it in my face when I ask reprieve Quianna 13:27:18 but I'm mulling it over, the burn constant Barrt 13:27:29 Your upset with screwing us over on a deal you made that makes sense Quianna 13:27:37 I'm upset with your bellyaching Quianna 13:27:53 *looks for some cheese* Barrt 13:28:34 Sorry if I expect Kingdom leaders to honor deals they make Tanc 13:28:42 LOL Quianna 13:28:54 I do, too. Too bad you don't practice what you preach when it's convenient for you Quianna 13:29:01 But, we already covered this Quianna 13:29:16 And instead of bickering again, let's just scroll up an hour to return to how the conversation panned out Barrt 13:29:38 Just responding to the current text Quianna 13:29:39 Glad we finished that. Any alternatives, Barrt? Quianna 13:30:01 Or Stiele, do you have any alternatives that might actually benefit both parties? Quianna 13:30:13 Because it just seems like you're the mediator at this point. Barrt 13:30:17 As I said all along We can Honor the deal we made this week come up with a new one or do this normal battle Barrt 13:30:53 Unless the goal has changed Quianna 13:30:54 I'm ok with sticking with the 10-tenets as they were Quianna 13:31:11 Using our conversation as filler Barrt 13:31:13 They were not clear on how to treat citys we already went over that Quianna 13:31:29 Yes, and I think at that sense we can keep it that way Quianna 13:31:38 We did say no burns, but we didn't dictate any other special battle tactics Quianna 13:31:50 So why not just keep the no burn rule and fight as we would normally do otherwise? Barrt 13:31:50 But I asked about that in the meeting Barrt 13:32:05 and when we spoke about the rules I thought it was coving that Barrt 13:32:33 and from my understanding Stiele felt the same way Quianna 13:32:35 the part you're referring to is covering how we determined a successful conquer Quianna 13:32:45 which we ordained to apply to the 5-grain, and nothing else Quianna 13:33:07 because that was the only part where it actually became ambiguous to a point of no return Quianna 13:33:57 Without deesignating an "end point" we could realistically fight on every city until the end of time. But we instead decided that conquering the 5-grain on attack, and maintaining hold after defense, would signify a successful conquer, assuming it happened after the Wonder was also captured Quianna 13:34:39 We did not extend this notion to the other cities, so in actuality, the only issue we have is trying to imply that ALL cities need an end point. I don't think that's the case Quianna 13:35:53 Furthermore, if your primary defense on not wanting the burn rule, which was limiting your movement - by instigating it, you would potentially allow for limitations of OUR movement Quianna 13:36:45 Imports of any kind are damaging considering our relationship. And our inability to come to terms on anything, past or present, provides reasons as to why we *keep* this relationship. Quianna 13:37:40 All that being said, I resolved that we could return to the initial arrangement, leaving cities to be captured and recaptured and captured again at will, until the 5-grain and wonder were reach and closed the battle Quianna 13:38:28 The only issue really lies between you and Legacy, because of your neutrality. For that, I would motion that Legacy keep it's neutrality, but also be allowed to maintain its Alert status throughout Barrt 13:38:29 And that was not clear in the first agreement which is why Stiele came up with the addons Stiele 13:38:53 As I see it we had the no burn rule as a way to keep the battles 'nice' especially since we'd be the ones defending Stiele 13:39:49 since this had the unintentional effect of making it impossible to completely clear potential blocking cities we agreed on some additional rules to counter this Stiele 13:40:28 but as I understand it Quianna you do not agree this added condition as unintentional? Quianna 13:41:14 I do not Quianna 13:41:34 I think that, if the burn rule was reinstated, then Synergy would have the option to port in new cities Quianna 13:41:41 If that's how a normal battle is Quianna 13:42:00 If we take away the no-burn rule, then we'd have to instate a no-import rule to truly eliminate blocking movement Quianna 13:42:24 But as long as either side holds rivalry, alert, or imports, movements will be blocked Quianna 13:42:56 I think this goes against *true* battles. It's natural for the defending party to want to limit how much the attacking party can throw in Quianna 13:43:29 As we continue to add "rules", we increase in my Kingdom the resentment you hinted you wanted to remove between us and Synergy Barrt 13:43:29 Yes but True battles the attacking team would burn out and try to port citys in Stiele 13:43:50 I agree on that but you could also agree to port out cities after 12 hours have past without being reconquered? Stiele 13:44:31 even allowing new cities to be ported in their place by either side Quianna 13:44:39 Barrt, you protested against reconqs because "These cities can still be used to trap players as long as you use attack and not conq cause it would suck to be blocked without being prepared for it" Barrt 13:45:05 Yes cause you said you would not reconq Quianna 13:45:09 We didn't have the option to port cities out because defenses were never removed from the cities, anyway Barrt 13:45:17 so when you change the rule mid fight I do not agree with it Quianna 13:45:19 And I stress that because Zanta was left untouched for hours Quianna 13:45:23 But STILL had troops in it. Quianna 13:45:29 Barrt, I already know that. Barrt 13:45:55 You were ok to attack those citys and kill or trap anything on them as was stated in the deal we made before battles Quianna 13:46:11 because it would suck to be blocked without being prepared Stiele 13:46:24 the only thing that stops porting out is a burn Stiele 13:46:29 or being under attack Barrt 13:46:38 Yes cause we cant burn you out and port citys in to prevent being blocked Quianna 13:46:39 Rival troops on a city also stop it Barrt 13:46:54 You can port with troops in citys Barrt 13:47:01 just not if its on fire and troops inside Quianna 13:47:01 fine Quianna 13:47:20 make up your mind. you contradicted yourself. Barrt 13:47:34 Who I am saying the same thing over and over Quianna 13:47:47 anywho Moatorious 13:47:58 so we can port out a conqed city and port in a new one? Quianna 13:48:13 we couldnt port in a new one because troops would not be moved off the village Quianna 13:48:18 because that's just too easy Barrt 13:48:37 We never spoke about it until now Stiele just brought it up Quianna 13:48:42 Which is why I don't see the point in trying to make it seem like we want to make this easy on Origin. It's just making it easier on Synergy Quianna 13:48:58 Adding a burn rule gives them the option to port in and out, and further traps us in Quianna 13:49:08 I think Origin should be granted the handicap instead, considering what we're up against Barrt 13:49:26 I dont want to make it easy I say lets fight like normal hell with all the word twisting and drama this caused Quianna 13:49:44 I already made my peace with that. My resolve: fight like normal, sans-burning Quianna 13:49:47 It's pretty simple Quianna 13:49:52 We do what we did this weekend. Barrt 13:49:54 We attack burn if we can whoever gets city drop good game Quianna 13:50:18 You want to burn, I don't want to burn. That's the issue, here. Not word-twisting. Barrt 13:50:46 Leaving citys to be reconq over and over and over is pointless and in no way a normal battle Quianna 13:50:58 Having rules at any level is no way in a normal battle. Quianna 13:51:05 But this is a game, so we have to treat it like one. Moatorious 13:51:19 its more normal then us letting you walk through them Barrt 13:51:20 Hence why i said lets remove them just no 2v1 Quianna 13:51:34 And I want to keep them Quianna 13:51:52 I didn't sit through a 4hr meeting just to remove them because of ONE incident of a change of heart on my part Quianna 13:51:55 Which I already admitted to Quianna 13:51:59 Which you already included Stiele in Quianna 13:52:04 For a battle you already WON Quianna 13:52:16 What are you trying to prove, here? Moatorious 13:52:59 btw in an instance where you guys had to have a huge meeting to establish these rules. what made anyone think that any informal agreements were a good idea Barrt 13:53:05 Flaws in the first meeting is what we want to correct and have the battle set in stone so players know what they can and cant do without you changing rules mid fight Quianna 13:53:22 Well Barrt. I don't agree to your wanting to rescind 4-hrs of my precious time Quianna 13:53:41 So no burns. The 5grain has an end game, everything else is what it is Barrt 13:53:46 I pointed out the flaw in the first meeting and thought it was covered Moatorious 13:53:46 right, and us finding out mid fight that we cant try to reconq is just as suprising Quianna 13:53:49 moebious loop of battles Barrt 13:54:03 Moat Q agreed to it days before battle Barrt 13:54:25 I m sorry if it wasnt pass down chain of command Quianna 13:54:26 *nods* Quianna 13:54:29 It was Quianna 13:54:34 I copy/pasted the entire thing Quianna 13:54:42 I think moat might've been out, though... Barrt 13:54:46 k Moatorious 13:54:48 more then likely Quianna 13:54:52 im democratic that way Quianna 13:55:08 I don't have the time or energy to hold back from my kingdom anymore than I hold back from you Moatorious 13:55:41 however would it also be agreed that if Syn doesnt conq a city in their first battle then theyre not allowed to attempt the conquer it again? Stiele 13:56:00 the idea is to simulate a burn Stiele 13:56:26 so that after twelve hours we effectively act as if a city is no longer there Moatorious 13:56:49 so then we would have 2 chances to retake a city Stiele 13:56:54 since that was the side effect of not going neutral and the no-burn Moatorious 13:56:55 8 hour battle 12 hour burn Quianna 13:56:58 I discussed this with you, stiele. And I explained that, as I see it, even if the city isn't there, troops on the village would be conqd and attacked, regardlses Quianna 13:57:00 lesS* Quianna 13:57:17 conqd so we owned the village and could track, attacked to kill stragglers Stiele 13:57:37 I know but a village doesn't stop movement... Barrt 13:57:44 The no burn rule has to many flaws when its Syn vrs origin and should be removed IMO Quianna 13:57:47 But a potential import does Barrt 13:57:54 It can stand with legacy since they are ok with honoring the addons Stiele 13:57:55 only after 12 hours Quianna 13:57:57 And as long as there are troops, there's potential to import Quianna 13:58:25 and as long as we don't own the village, we have no way of knowing when we can import ourselves, or not, if at all Quianna 13:58:42 The normal response is to halt movement, and kill everything that prevents that from happening Quianna 13:59:29 It's either leaving us wide open to attack, under which we might as well not even be there; or we halt movement and make them work to the center Stiele 13:59:50 well it was allready clear you did not agree on this being an unintentional side effect Quianna 14:00:09 As far as normal battles go, I do not see it as unintentional Quianna 14:00:36 I don't recall discussion to simplify the battles to that extent. We agreed Synergy would earn the wonders back through battle Barrt 14:00:39 Like I said I am fine with working for the win but the loop holes in the No burn is a joke. Quianna 14:00:46 What loop holes? Stiele 14:00:48 well the question now seems to be if Barrt is willing to accept terms that put him at a disadvantage while fighting Origin... Quianna 14:01:03 He wasn't put at a disadvantage if he won... Stiele 14:01:23 I'm sorry but that makes no sense Quianna 14:01:28 And if we keep using our offensives throughout the cities, then there's less for the final assault as well Quianna 14:01:37 So technically we did him a favor by spreading ourselves out Stiele 14:01:46 winning in itself does not determine an advantage or disadvantage Quianna 14:02:22 I can see both sides Stiele 14:02:30 you can discuss how great of an advantage it is Quianna 14:02:42 I'd rather not Stiele 14:02:48 same here Barrt 14:02:53 If the citys are taken back over and over the battles will never end. So with that outcome its pointless to use no burn when we can just use the normal fighting and everyone try to port in after burn Quianna 14:03:02 The battles end with the 5-grain Stiele 14:03:22 well it's clear where everyone stands in this Quianna 14:03:22 I already explained that, in a lengthy essay form Barrt 14:03:22 Not if we are still fighting for the first 2 citys Stiele 14:03:34 I suggest we all take some time to think this over Quianna 14:03:40 I disagree. If the 5 is taken, then we don't go further Stiele 14:03:56 since no one will be convinced here by repeating the same arguments over and over Quianna 14:04:00 Any battles that happen to still be in effect are just left to die down. Nothing should be sent out after the armistice is called. Barrt 14:04:03 Next battle is Syn and Legacy on the 27th Barrt 14:04:31 We need to have some type of plan before 8-3 when we fight Origin Stiele 14:04:56 Like I said we now know eachothers arguments and position Quianna 14:04:57 honestly I think you're trying to complicate something that's so simple, especially with that no-end declaration Stiele 14:05:15 lets take some time to let it set and decide on a new date to continue talks Barrt 14:06:44 Stiele You and I and still honoring the deal we made for the next wave of battles? Stiele 14:07:26 yes Barrt 14:07:30 It worked out great and was alot of fun Barrt 14:07:35 K will let everyone know Barrt 14:08:14 We can give it a week or so and come back and try to meet some type of plan Quianna 14:08:52 sooner rather than later; I have a life, ya know Barrt 14:09:01 Once fear is back online I will have him kick the last armys out and we will release the citys Moatorious 14:09:01 no you dont Quianna 14:09:05 I do now Stiele 14:09:19 fine with me, sunday next week around this time? Quianna 14:09:22 I'm already pushing it with all this when my family is like, Spend time with us, you horrible daughter, you! Quianna 14:09:36 Can't do that; I have somewhere to be next Sunday Barrt 14:09:37 thats fine I will try and not passout before meeting starts Quianna 14:09:49 I might be home around 3, though. So we'll see Stiele 14:10:15 ok Stiele 14:10:24 I can't make it to early either Quianna 14:10:52 as long as it isn't gonna be another 5hr event Quianna 14:11:23 I spend more time dealing with pixels than I do real people. I think that's problematic. Quianna 14:11:55 there's also the option of polling our kingdoms and letting them decide, I guess Barrt 14:12:10 Thats fine Quianna 14:12:11 individually, of course. Quianna 14:12:13 I like polls Barrt 14:13:20 Just find out if you players are ok with fighting normal or the addson rule. If not see what they think is fair Barrt 14:14:02 These battles were not setup to cause drama but only a way to return Sb to us and its turning into even more drama Barrt 14:14:34 So if they all agree to something before next round maybe we can have fun doing it Barrt 14:15:01 Cause legacy and Syn lost a shittton of troops on both sides but still had a blast doing it Quianna 14:18:17 it's all fun and games until someone feels like they're being unnecessarily limited. I told you how my kingdom felt the rules limited them. The concept was fun up until I told them they couldn't use more than one attempt to recapture a city Quianna 14:18:40 After that point, they just saw it as a way to rub all sorts of crap in our faces Quianna 14:19:35 Resentment grew, I tried to make it better for them. IF your kingdom as a whole is honestly upset we tried to retake OUR cities, then that's something I can argue with. But if it's just a matter of your not liking me taking my word back, then your argument is with me, and me ALONE. Quianna 14:19:45 Feel free to IM me your grievances again and again Quianna 14:20:05 But I stand firm at the notion of doing what I did to make my people happy.

I cant believe you actually copied all that.... I only made it a 5th of the way through....